Massey Has Bixby, OK #2 Behind Mater Dei

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Not that I'm crazy about the Comp Poll, but Massey definitely should be kicked out of it.

Bixby, OK at #2 is just really bizarre.
This is exactly why most people that post on the Louisiana Forum don't give a crap about national polls.





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If I had to guess, it looks like they are getting credit for beating Owasso 49-21 twice. Once that is corrected,  I would assume that would drastically affect their ranking.

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One nice thing about TheCompPoll is that it serves as weekly snapshots of the various rankings - something that neither HSRatings/CalPreps nor Massey ever provided. Last week Massey had Bixby at #11 - very much arguably still too high but much more reasonable than #2. The other thing you have to remember about algorithm-based rankings is that they do rely too heavily on preseason rankings early on and they tend to get better as they get more in-season data - although you can probably say the same thing about the human made rankings as well. 🙃

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Massey also has Jenks, OK at #25 Nationally.
It's probably been a couple decades since anybody's even mentioned Jenks, OK
They were 8-4 last year.

This is the internet and people will believe what they want to believe.....I guess!

Think I'll work out a Top 25 National Poll with teams I like so far. A lot of states haven't even started yet so I may wait a couple weeks.
Bixby and Jenks won't be in my Top 25.

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Quote from: TheCompPoll on Sep 01, 2025, 08:00 AMIf I had to guess, it looks like they are getting credit for beating Owasso 49-21 twice. Once that is corrected,  I would assume that would drastically affect their ranking.

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One nice thing about TheCompPoll is that it serves as weekly snapshots of the various rankings - something that neither HSRatings/CalPreps nor Massey ever provided. Last week Massey had Bixby at #11 - very much arguably still too high but much more reasonable than #2. The other thing you have to remember about algorithm-based rankings is that they do rely too heavily on preseason rankings early on and they tend to get better as they get more in-season data - although you can probably say the same thing about the human made rankings as well. 🙃

It's hard to have a Comp Poll with red and green apples.
Massey is a green apple
If all the apples were red you might have something.

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Quote from: Redzone on Sep 01, 2025, 08:06 AMIt's hard to have a Comp Poll with red and green apples.
Massey is a green apple
If all the apples were red you might have something.
Honestly, I think having both red and green apples is the perfect argument FOR a comp poll.

The BCS was the same way and the inspiration for the HSFB comp poll - the BCS had 2 human polls (AP and Coaches) and 5 computer algorithms (one of which was Massey). Obviously having a playoff and settling a winner on the field is a much better system, but that will likely never be a realistic option for HSFB.

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Quote from: TheCompPoll on Sep 01, 2025, 08:11 AM
Quote from: Redzone on Sep 01, 2025, 08:06 AMIt's hard to have a Comp Poll with red and green apples.
Massey is a green apple
If all the apples were red you might have something.
Honestly, I think having both red and green apples is the perfect argument FOR a comp poll.

The BCS was the same way and the inspiration for the HSFB comp poll - the BCS had 2 human polls (AP and Coaches) and 5 computer algorithms (one of which was Massey). Obviously having a playoff and settling a winner on the field is a much better system, but that will likely never be a realistic option for HSFB.

That's all good, but they're only 136 FBS teams.
and over a 100 of them have no shot ever of making the playoffs..

They're over 15,000 high schools playing high school football.

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Quote from: Redzone on Sep 01, 2025, 08:35 AMThey're over 15,000 high schools playing high school football.
And well over 14,000 of them have no shot ever of a MNC.   ;)

But jokes aside, from my perspective, the scale of HSFB is only an argument for including algorithm-based rankings as part of a compilation poll.

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Quote from: TheCompPoll on Sep 01, 2025, 08:50 AM
Quote from: Redzone on Sep 01, 2025, 08:35 AMThey're over 15,000 high schools playing high school football.
And well over 14,000 of them have no shot ever of a MNC.   ;)

But jokes aside, from my perspective, the scale of HSFB is only an argument for including algorithm-based rankings as part of a compilation poll.

I don't know what the exact number would be, but the POINT is probably 500 teams OR nore have a legitimate shot of making a Top 25 High School National Football Poll...... some of the things stopping that from happening are Bixby, OK and Jenks, OK.........

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Quote from: Redzone on Sep 01, 2025, 08:02 AMMassey also has Jenks, OK at #25 Nationally.
It's probably been a couple decades since anybody's even mentioned Jenks, OK
They were 8-4 last year.

This is the internet and people will believe what they want to believe.....I guess!

Think I'll work out a Top 25 National Poll with teams I like so far. A lot of states haven't even started yet so I may wait a couple weeks.
Bixby and Jenks won't be in my Top 25.

Come on.  I'll believe this when I see your Seal Team 30 ranking 😄.  Just sayin'

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Quote from: wosinc on Sep 01, 2025, 11:23 AM
Quote from: Redzone on Sep 01, 2025, 08:02 AMMassey also has Jenks, OK at #25 Nationally.
It's probably been a couple decades since anybody's even mentioned Jenks, OK
They were 8-4 last year.

This is the internet and people will believe what they want to believe.....I guess!

Think I'll work out a Top 25 National Poll with teams I like so far. A lot of states haven't even started yet so I may wait a couple weeks.
Bixby and Jenks won't be in my Top 25.

Come on.  I'll believe this when I see your Seal Team 30 ranking 😄.  Just sayin'

The Navy Seal Team Top 30 was so in-depth it took me 8 or 9 weeks to decide on just 1 team sometimes. It was much too complex and complicated for even me.  I'm still working on that poll from 2013  or whenever I did that. 😀🤔

My new poll will just be teams I like .....like everybody else does. The only thing is I don't think anybody watches more games than me. Sometimes I don't always finish the entire game, but I watch enough to know what's going on normally .



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Quote from: Redzone on Sep 01, 2025, 12:16 PM
Quote from: wosinc on Sep 01, 2025, 11:23 AM
Quote from: Redzone on Sep 01, 2025, 08:02 AMMassey also has Jenks, OK at #25 Nationally.
It's probably been a couple decades since anybody's even mentioned Jenks, OK
They were 8-4 last year.

This is the internet and people will believe what they want to believe.....I guess!

Noice ! 😀
Think I'll work out a Top 25 National Poll with teams I like so far. A lot of states haven't even started yet so I may wait a couple weeks.
Bixby and Jenks won't be in my Top 25.

Come on.  I'll believe this when I see your Seal Team 30 ranking 😄.  Just sayin'

The Navy Seal Team Top 30 was so in-depth it took me 8 or 9 weeks to decide on just 1 team sometimes. It was much too complex and complicated for even me.  I'm still working on that poll from 2013  or whenever I did that. 😀🤔

My new poll will just be teams I like .....like everybody else does. The only thing is I don't think anybody watches more games than me. Sometimes I don't always finish the entire game, but I watch enough to know what's going on normally .



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Quote from: Redzone on Sep 01, 2025, 12:16 PM
Quote from: wosinc on Sep 01, 2025, 11:23 AM
Quote from: Redzone on Sep 01, 2025, 08:02 AMMassey also has Jenks, OK at #25 Nationally.
It's probably been a couple decades since anybody's even mentioned Jenks, OK
They were 8-4 last year.

This is the internet and people will believe what they want to believe.....I guess!

Think I'll work out a Top 25 National Poll with teams I like so far. A lot of states haven't even started yet so I may wait a couple weeks.
Bixby and Jenks won't be in my Top 25.

Come on.  I'll believe this when I see your Seal Team 30 ranking 😄.  Just sayin'

The Navy Seal Team Top 30 was so in-depth it took me 8 or 9 weeks to decide on just 1 team sometimes. It was much too complex and complicated for even me.  I'm still working on that poll from 2013  or whenever I did that. 😀🤔

My new poll will just be teams I like .....like everybody else does. The only thing is I don't think anybody watches more games than me. Sometimes I don't always finish the entire game, but I watch enough to know what's going on normally .



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Noice 😀

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Quote from: Redzone on Sep 01, 2025, 08:02 AMMassey also has Jenks, OK at #25 Nationally.
It's probably been a couple decades since anybody's even mentioned Jenks, OK
They were 8-4 last year.

Bixby and Jenks won't be in my Top 25.

Bixby is legit. Not #2 or 12 legit, but a top 25-35 team right now.

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Karr has its chance vs Heritage this year.

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Quote from: Steeler01 on Sep 01, 2025, 04:39 PMKarr has its chance vs Heritage this year.

after losing 36-6 to Arlington Bowie they realized that they will need a once in a generation team to play OOS