Didn't watch the game, so I'm only 97% sure the game was played for real and to win. Of course, because most assumed Chaminade would win by more points, the tendency of others who also didn't watch the game will be to assume it was akin to an NFL preseason game. 

Stop the "real game" stuff. This is the preseason week. Kickoff classics. Week zero. Nothing counts. They play backups and 3rd stringers in the second half. The game isn't even designed like a regular season game. It's just to knock the rust off. That's it. Do kids and coaches want to win? Sure. But that doesn't mean they are gonna sacrifice starters in the second half of a game that doesn't count toward anything

Stop the "real game" stuff. This is the preseason week. Kickoff classics. Week zero. Nothing counts. They play backups and 3rd stringers in the second half. The game isn't even designed like a regular season game. It's just to knock the rust off. That's it. Do kids and coaches want to win? Sure. But that doesn't mean they are gonna sacrifice starters in the second half of a game that doesn't count toward anything

You do this every year, and you're now the only person still doing it. The vast majority of Florida teams play a full game to win now. And, I assume you know this and are just trolling. But, because it's different in other states, some here may believe you 

Don't we go through this shit every year? Does this count in the teams overall record for the season? Seems pretty simple this is a scrimmage and not a real/official game.

Don't we go through this shit every year? Does this count in the teams overall record for the season? Seems pretty simple this is a scrimmage and not a real/official game.

Just like when Columbus "beat" IMG 

Don't we go through this shit every year? Does this count in the teams overall record for the season? Seems pretty simple this is a scrimmage and not a real/official game.

False binary. The game doesn't count on the record...but it IS a true gauge of where each team is now. No one who watches the games disputes this. The losing coaches and players do not dispute it. It's just Trollbull813 and then folks from other states where things are different who are skeptical.

Lakeland plays Miami Northwestern today. If Northwestern wins 100-0, I will not be backing off my word. The Bulls will rightfully be able to talk all the shit in the world.

Don't we go through this shit every year? Does this count in the teams overall record for the season? Seems pretty simple this is a scrimmage and not a real/official game.

Just like when Columbus "beat" IMG 

2018 IMG played it differently than now. Columbia played to win and IMG didn't. That misalignment doesn't happen anymore. Certainly, post-Covid these games re played to win.

Scrimmages often have all sorts of modifications which render the results mostly meaningless. Maybe special teams aren't live; maybe coaches are on the field during plays; maybe lots of backups fighting for roster spots play a lot etc. These games are NOT scrimmages, though I freely acknowledge the stubborn folks who never watch a second of any of these games can continue to question what I say.

Don't we go through this shit every year? Does this count in the teams overall record for the season? Seems pretty simple this is a scrimmage and not a real/official game.

False binary. The game doesn't count on the record...but it IS a true gauge of where each team is now. No one who watches the games disputes this. The losing coaches and players do not dispute it. It's just Trollbull813 and then folks from other states where things are different who are skeptical.

Lakeland plays Miami Northwestern today. If Northwestern wins 100-0, I will not be backing off my word. The Bulls will rightfully be able to talk all the shit in the world.

Do you think 1A Cardinal Mooney is only one score different than STA? Do you think Oviedo is better than Lake Mary?

Don't we go through this shit every year? Does this count in the teams overall record for the season? Seems pretty simple this is a scrimmage and not a real/official game.

False binary. The game doesn't count on the record...but it IS a true gauge of where each team is now. No one who watches the games disputes this. The losing coaches and players do not dispute it. It's just Trollbull813 and then folks from other states where things are different who are skeptical.

Lakeland plays Miami Northwestern today. If Northwestern wins 100-0, I will not be backing off my word. The Bulls will rightfully be able to talk all the shit in the world.

Do you think 1A Cardinal Mooney is only one score different than STA? Do you think Oviedo is better than Lake Mary?

Are you asking about my preconceived notions and biases? Based on those, no, I think STA is several scores better than CM. Or are you asking me to acknowledge I know the final score of the game that actually happened? If so, the answer is "yes". The results speak for themselves. Sure, if you told me a bunch of key players sat out for either team I'd adjust my view.

You're a joke. Do you think Northwesten is really 40-3 better than Lakeland? The evidence supporting that conclusion is precisely identical to the evidence supporting the notion STA is one score better than CM. If you want to use the results of Lakeland-Northwestern to drive your conclusions about those teams- something I agree with- then you use the results of STA-CM to support your conclusions about those teams.

You're just nakedly using some kickoff classic results to make bold, sweeping conclusions about teams- and even the overall future of programs!- while also arguing the results are meaningless and that the people who ignorantly ASSume these games are like NFL exhibitions are kind of sort of correct. You should own the fact that you're a sily troll who knows very little. Because that's better than the alternative, which is that you're really stupid.

Don't we go through this shit every year? Does this count in the teams overall record for the season? Seems pretty simple this is a scrimmage and not a real/official game.

False binary. The game doesn't count on the record...but it IS a true gauge of where each team is now. No one who watches the games disputes this. The losing coaches and players do not dispute it. It's just Trollbull813 and then folks from other states where things are different who are skeptical.

Lakeland plays Miami Northwestern today. If Northwestern wins 100-0, I will not be backing off my word. The Bulls will rightfully be able to talk all the shit in the world.

Do you think 1A Cardinal Mooney is only one score different than STA? Do you think Oviedo is better than Lake Mary?

Are you asking about my preconceived notions and biases? Based on those, no, I think STA is several scores better than CM. Or are you asking me to acknowledge I know the final score of the game that actually happened? If so, the answer is "yes". The results speak for themselves. Sure, if you told me a bunch of key players sat out for either team I'd adjust my view.

You're a joke. Do you think Northwesten is really 40-3 better than Lakeland? The evidence supporting that conclusion is precisely identical to the evidence supporting the notion STA is one score better than CM. If you want to use the results of Lakeland-Northwestern to drive your conclusions about those teams- something I agree with- then you use the results of STA-CM to support your conclusions about those teams.

You're just nakedly using some kickoff classic results to make bold, sweeping conclusions about teams- and even the overall future of programs!- while also arguing the results are meaningless and that the people who ignorantly ASSume these games are like NFL exhibitions are kind of sort of correct. You should own the fact that you're a sily troll who knows very little. Because that's better than the alternative, which is that you're really stupid.

You are quoting 3 people so who are you talking to?

Don't we go through this shit every year? Does this count in the teams overall record for the season? Seems pretty simple this is a scrimmage and not a real/official game.

False binary. The game doesn't count on the record...but it IS a true gauge of where each team is now. No one who watches the games disputes this. The losing coaches and players do not dispute it. It's just Trollbull813 and then folks from other states where things are different who are skeptical.

Lakeland plays Miami Northwestern today. If Northwestern wins 100-0, I will not be backing off my word. The Bulls will rightfully be able to talk all the shit in the world.

Do you think 1A Cardinal Mooney is only one score different than STA? Do you think Oviedo is better than Lake Mary?

Are you asking about my preconceived notions and biases? Based on those, no, I think STA is several scores better than CM. Or are you asking me to acknowledge I know the final score of the game that actually happened? If so, the answer is "yes". The results speak for themselves. Sure, if you told me a bunch of key players sat out for either team I'd adjust my view.

You're a joke. Do you think Northwesten is really 40-3 better than Lakeland? The evidence supporting that conclusion is precisely identical to the evidence supporting the notion STA is one score better than CM. If you want to use the results of Lakeland-Northwestern to drive your conclusions about those teams- something I agree with- then you use the results of STA-CM to support your conclusions about those teams.

You're just nakedly using some kickoff classic results to make bold, sweeping conclusions about teams- and even the overall future of programs!- while also arguing the results are meaningless and that the people who ignorantly ASSume these games are like NFL exhibitions are kind of sort of correct. You should own the fact that you're a sily troll who knows very little. Because that's better than the alternative, which is that you're really stupid.

You are quoting 3 people so who are you talking to?

New message board takes some getting used to. I'm obviously responding to you.

Don't we go through this shit every year? Does this count in the teams overall record for the season? Seems pretty simple this is a scrimmage and not a real/official game.

False binary. The game doesn't count on the record...but it IS a true gauge of where each team is now. No one who watches the games disputes this. The losing coaches and players do not dispute it. It's just Trollbull813 and then folks from other states where things are different who are skeptical.

Lakeland plays Miami Northwestern today. If Northwestern wins 100-0, I will not be backing off my word. The Bulls will rightfully be able to talk all the shit in the world.

Do you think 1A Cardinal Mooney is only one score different than STA? Do you think Oviedo is better than Lake Mary?

Are you asking about my preconceived notions and biases? Based on those, no, I think STA is several scores better than CM. Or are you asking me to acknowledge I know the final score of the game that actually happened? If so, the answer is "yes". The results speak for themselves. Sure, if you told me a bunch of key players sat out for either team I'd adjust my view.

You're a joke. Do you think Northwesten is really 40-3 better than Lakeland? The evidence supporting that conclusion is precisely identical to the evidence supporting the notion STA is one score better than CM. If you want to use the results of Lakeland-Northwestern to drive your conclusions about those teams- something I agree with- then you use the results of STA-CM to support your conclusions about those teams.

You're just nakedly using some kickoff classic results to make bold, sweeping conclusions about teams- and even the overall future of programs!- while also arguing the results are meaningless and that the people who ignorantly ASSume these games are like NFL exhibitions are kind of sort of correct. You should own the fact that you're a sily troll who knows very little. Because that's better than the alternative, which is that you're really stupid.

You are quoting 3 people so who are you talking to?

New message board takes some getting used to. I'm obviously responding to you.

Can you provide a scintilla of evidence that would provide any optimism that Lakeland is headed in the right direction?

Usually if a team returns a slew of starters, gets impact transfers, is clicking throughout the offseason, it's safe to say they will have success. When evaluating teams you tend to sprinkle in all variables even though on the surface they might not be as impactful as you might think BY THEMSELF. I put that in all caps to emphasize that because I don't put a ton of stock into spring game and preseason results by themself.

But think about what's been going on with Lakeland since the curb stomping in the title game. Loss of impactful starters, coaching controversy with theft. No competent coach for the offense. The transfers are average to below average players from bad teams. Beat down in the spring by Jesuit. Obliterated by MNW one week before the season starts. No offensive line. No offensive identity.

Can you give me one tangible piece of evidence that you can point to, that would give a Lakeland fan ANY optimism whatsoever about this season and the trajectory of the program in general?

Don't we go through this shit every year? Does this count in the teams overall record for the season? Seems pretty simple this is a scrimmage and not a real/official game.

False binary. The game doesn't count on the record...but it IS a true gauge of where each team is now. No one who watches the games disputes this. The losing coaches and players do not dispute it. It's just Trollbull813 and then folks from other states where things are different who are skeptical.

Lakeland plays Miami Northwestern today. If Northwestern wins 100-0, I will not be backing off my word. The Bulls will rightfully be able to talk all the shit in the world.

Do you think 1A Cardinal Mooney is only one score different than STA? Do you think Oviedo is better than Lake Mary?

Are you asking about my preconceived notions and biases? Based on those, no, I think STA is several scores better than CM. Or are you asking me to acknowledge I know the final score of the game that actually happened? If so, the answer is "yes". The results speak for themselves. Sure, if you told me a bunch of key players sat out for either team I'd adjust my view.

You're a joke. Do you think Northwesten is really 40-3 better than Lakeland? The evidence supporting that conclusion is precisely identical to the evidence supporting the notion STA is one score better than CM. If you want to use the results of Lakeland-Northwestern to drive your conclusions about those teams- something I agree with- then you use the results of STA-CM to support your conclusions about those teams.

You're just nakedly using some kickoff classic results to make bold, sweeping conclusions about teams- and even the overall future of programs!- while also arguing the results are meaningless and that the people who ignorantly ASSume these games are like NFL exhibitions are kind of sort of correct. You should own the fact that you're a sily troll who knows very little. Because that's better than the alternative, which is that you're really stupid.

You are quoting 3 people so who

Don't we go through this shit every year? Does this count in the teams overall record for the season? Seems pretty simple this is a scrimmage and not a real/official game.

False binary. The game doesn't count on the record...but it IS a true gauge of where each team is now. No one who watches the games disputes this. The losing coaches and players do not dispute it. It's just Trollbull813 and then folks from other states where things are different who are skeptical.

Lakeland plays Miami Northwestern today. If Northwestern wins 100-0, I will not be backing off my word. The Bulls will rightfully be able to talk all the shit in the world.

Do you think 1A Cardinal Mooney is only one score different than STA? Do you think Oviedo is better than Lake Mary?

Are you asking about my preconceived notions and biases? Based on those, no, I think STA is several scores better than CM. Or are you asking me to acknowledge I know the final score of the game that actually happened? If so, the answer is "yes". The results speak for themselves. Sure, if you told me a bunch of key players sat out for either team I'd adjust my view.

You're a joke. Do you think Northwesten is really 40-3 better than Lakeland? The evidence supporting that conclusion is precisely identical to the evidence supporting the notion STA is one score better than CM. If you want to use the results of Lakeland-Northwestern to drive your conclusions about those teams- something I agree with- then you use the results of STA-CM to support your conclusions about those teams.

You're just nakedly using some kickoff classic results to make bold, sweeping conclusions about teams- and even the overall future of programs!- while also arguing the results are meaningless and that the people who ignorantly ASSume these games are like NFL exhibitions are kind of sort of correct. You should own the fact that you're a sily troll who knows very little. Because that's better than the alternative, which is that you're really stupid.

You are quoting 3 people so who are you talking to?

New message board takes some getting used to. I'm obviously responding to you.

are you talking to?

New message board takes some getting used to. I'm obviously responding to you.

I wouldn't sweat it. This forum is kind of confusing. There's so much writing and so much clickable stuff you have to be careful. I still haven't figured it all out, but it seems like it could be a much simpler platform

Don't we go through this shit every year? Does this count in the teams overall record for the season? Seems pretty simple this is a scrimmage and not a real/official game.

Just like when Columbus "beat" IMG 

You can never trust IMG with that. In 2015 when they lost their opener to American Heritage, they reclassified it as an exhibition after the fact.

Don't we go through this shit every year? Does this count in the teams overall record for the season? Seems pretty simple this is a scrimmage and not a real/official game.

Just like when Columbus "beat" IMG 

You can never trust IMG with that. In 2015 when they lost their opener to American Heritage, they reclassified it as an exhibition after the fact.

But it was a kickoff classic. A preseason game that didn't count on either teams records. No stat was registered for season or career statistics for anyone. You can debate the emotions of coaches and players wanting to win all day long, but it is just an exhibition game that has no ramifications other than someone getting injured.