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Quote from: DreadnaughtAlum on May 22, 2026, 03:49 PMI'm referring to the Comp Poll, and thus the ratings figuring into that. I'm saying these rankings should not be seen as "the gospel", or anything that can reliably be used to tell who's better than who.

I offered a general range of where I think they should have been. We can't actually say for sure that *anyone* was better than them, nor can we say for sure who they were better than. The best we can do is offer ranges or tiers, and then still remain humble about it all since we can't be sure.

That's the inherent problem with Polls and Rankings they are based on opinions or Algorithms, not based on watching teams actually play because it's impossible to watch every HSFB team play....

Should they be a Top 25 team?.... Maybe, Top 10-15 not sure, anywhere in the top 10 I highly doubt it.... But who really knows?... If they could find a way to play a FL team maybe they could play a top CA, AZ, UT team, then we would have a real idea of who they are....

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High School Football Discussion / Re: Was Cherry Creek the most ...

Last post by Steeler01 - May 22, 2026, 04:57 PM

Quote from: DreadnaughtAlum on May 22, 2026, 02:35 PMThe Bruins went undefeated and won a Colorado state championship, but of course that doesn't mean they were impressive nationally. The Comp Poll left them outside of the national top 45. But, I think they were worthy of a ranking between roughly 7 and 15. They had one of the top 5 OOS wins that involved traveling to the other team's state...yet nobody seems to realize it. Despite low name recogntion value, Cardinal Mooney was an elite team in Florida last year. Mooney not only went unbeaten in Florida*, they went unchallenged. Their last two playoff games were won over Cocoa and Bolles by a combined 92-28. In the state title game, they scored a touchdown on each and every possession of the game. That's right: zero turnovers, zero punts and zero field goals. Only TDs.

About that asterisk: Mooney did lose the kickoff classic. They lost a road game at St. Thomas Aquinas. But, it was immensely difficult for STA to beat them. I watched a highlight video of the game and got the impression STA was fortunate to win at all.

Psychologically, most are too simplistic or dogmatic to accept that the 2025 Cardinal Mooney team was a fully elite team within Florida. But they absolutely were that by any reasonable standard. And Cherry Creek traveled to Florida, leaving behind a very low humidity climate to play in extreme humidity, and beat Mooney. This proved to be an elite OOS win...which was acknowledged as such by no one.

If you're a talent/recruiting freak who likes to look up star-rated players on teams to form your opinion of the team, you'd actually be impressed with Cherry Creek as they were plenty loaded.

Creek's resume and talent easily surpassed the resume and talent of 2021 Graham-Kapowsin or 2017 Chandler, both of whom had eye-opening postseason GEICO Bowl wins. I mention those two teams because they come from western states that are not normally recognized as having nationally elite teams, which is the top argument against Cherry Creek.

Cherry Creek's 2025 team was better than peole give them credit for, and is worthy of some mention here. Here is the full Cardinal Mooney game for those who are interested.

Vero Beach destroyed Cocoa.

Vero Beach 38 Cocoa 3
Lake Mary 28 Vero Beach 27
Lakeland 32 Lake Mary 13
Raines 51 Vero Beach 3

Would Lakeland have looked like a juggernaut vs that Florida schedule?

I think

Northwestern
Lakeland
Aquinas
Lakeland

Etc all look like world beaters with Mooney's schedule

Bolles wasn't anything special either.

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High School Football Discussion / Re: Was Cherry Creek the most ...

Last post by Nolebull813 - May 22, 2026, 04:27 PM

Quote from: DreadnaughtAlum on May 22, 2026, 03:49 PMI'm referring to the Comp Poll, and thus the ratings figuring into that. I'm saying these rankings should not be seen as "the gospel", or anything that can reliably be used to tell who's better than who.

I offered a general range of where I think they should have been. We can't actually say for sure that *anyone* was better than them, nor can we say for sure who they were better than. The best we can do is offer ranges or tiers, and then still remain humble about it all since we can't be sure.

So again, I'm not sure who they beat that would warrant a higher ranking than 37. Cardinal Mooney was really good for their size but they didn't have to prove it on the field. I could care less that they played STA close in a preseason game. That doesn't move the needle. If you are using a close loss in a preseason game as some sort of full season barometer for CM, then we will always be at an impasse in regards to CM not having to prove it.

And CC didn't blow the doors off them. They won by 3. And CM was driving before turning it over on downs for Creek to secure the win. It was a really good win for Creek. I'm not trying to diminish what they did on its face. I'm saying beating CM by 3 shouldn't be the standard criteria for national top 25 status

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