#81

High School Football Discussion / Re: Was Cherry Creek the most ...

Last post by DreadnaughtAlum - May 26, 2026, 08:35 PM

Didn't you use a daisy chain to say that Cherry Creek was underrated?

How many teams kick the crap out of Cocoa and Bolles in the country?

Raines needed a miracle to beat Northwestern. If we put Bosco who didn't win their championship vs Raines and I ask you how much do you want to bet straight up(No points given). You wouldn't take that bet.

No, I wouldn't take the bet. But, 1) I wouldn't take the bet with any team over Bosco.  I wouldn't bet more than like $5 (which I'd be willing to waste for the entertainment value while watching the game) on any team against Bosco, Mater Dei or Bishop Gorman.  And 2) that wasn't the claim in regards to Raines anyway. My claim on them is they belonged in or very near the top 10 nationally. And that's the same thing I'm claiming with Cherry Creek. Physically, CC resembles a top tier Trinity league team.

#82

High School Football Discussion / Re: Was Cherry Creek the most ...

Last post by Omaha Vol - May 26, 2026, 02:10 PM

Yeah that's great and all, but it really comes down to where they finished in the Red Zone Navy Seal top 9 poll. At least from a street cred perspective.That poll is the standard bearer from what I've read.

True. Nothing compares to that poll! Any poll put out by a trailer park Cajun redneck swamp turd will destroy all others out there.

#83

High School Football Discussion / Re: Was Cherry Creek the most ...

Last post by Steeler01 - May 26, 2026, 02:08 PM

But that's the classic "daisy chain" fallacy. And one of the reasons it's a fallacy is because the final scores, by themselves, often mislead. In the case of the Lake Mary portion of that chain, those two scores are very misleading. Vero controlled the game and had it won...if not for terrible clock management at the end and perhaps the most improbable game-winning play in history. Lakeland, predictably, was locked in a defensive struggle with LM and got two very late scores to make that score look more convincing than the game really was. I maintain that Raines was nationally elite last season, and that you're wrong about them because their style of play/QB is not visually appealing to you.

Every year, there are teams that cruise through unremarkable resumes and are just granted high rankings uncritically because of name recognition. De La Salle spent all of last season ranked no worse than top 30 (higher before the open bowl loss). Did they really, definitively prove to be that good? Because of my own bias I'd like to think so. But, in truth, I'm not sure. Creekside beat DeSoto worse than they beat Seminole, which had a losing season. Why was 3-loss DeSoto ahead of unbeaten Raines? The answer is personal bias, reputations etc. There is no other sort of argument one can make that leads to DeSoto being ahead of Raines.

Point is, the rankings are not reliable or authoritative in any meaningful way. Anyone who's ever been paid money to publish rankings lists, like myself, will tell you this if you catch them in a candid moment.

Didn't you use a daisy chain to say that Cherry Creek was underrated?

How many teams kick the crap out of Cocoa and Bolles in the country?

Raines needed a miracle to beat Northwestern. If we put Bosco who didn't win their championship vs Raines and I ask you how much do you want to bet straight up(No points given). You wouldn't take that bet.

#84

High School Football Discussion / Re: Was Cherry Creek the most ...

Last post by DreadnaughtAlum - May 26, 2026, 02:04 PM

Vero Beach destroyed Cocoa.

Vero Beach 38 Cocoa 3
Lake Mary 28 Vero Beach 27
Lakeland 32 Lake Mary 13
Raines 51 Vero Beach 3


Would Lakeland have looked like a juggernaut vs that  Florida schedule?

I think

Northwestern
Lakeland
Aquinas
Lakeland


Etc all look like world beaters with Mooney's schedule


Bolles wasn't anything special either. 

But that's the classic "daisy chain" fallacy. And one of the reasons it's a fallacy is because the final scores, by themselves, often mislead. In the case of the Lake Mary portion of that chain, those two scores are very misleading. Vero controlled the game and had it won...if not for terrible clock management at the end and perhaps the most improbable game-winning play in history. Lakeland, predictably, was locked in a defensive struggle with LM and got two very late scores to make that score look more convincing than the game really was. I maintain that Raines was nationally elite last season, and that you're wrong about them because their style of play/QB is not visually appealing to you.

Every year, there are teams that cruise through unremarkable resumes and are just granted high rankings uncritically because of name recognition. De La Salle spent all of last season ranked no worse than top 30 (higher before the open bowl loss). Did they really, definitively prove to be that good? Because of my own bias I'd like to think so. But, in truth, I'm not sure. Creekside beat DeSoto worse than they beat Seminole, which had a losing season. Why was 3-loss DeSoto ahead of unbeaten Raines? The answer is personal bias, reputations etc. There is no other sort of argument one can make that leads to DeSoto being ahead of Raines.

Point is, the rankings are not reliable or authoritative in any meaningful way. Anyone who's ever been paid money to publish rankings lists, like myself, will tell you this if you catch them in a candid moment.

#85

High School Football Discussion / Re: Was Cherry Creek the most ...

Last post by Wooderson - May 26, 2026, 01:51 PM

Yeah that's great and all, but it really comes down to where they finished in the Red Zone Navy Seal top 9 poll. At least from a street cred perspective.That poll is the standard bearer from what I've read.

Now that you've mentioned it I feel like we've all overlooked the obvious most underrated team in the nation.

It's Louisville, Mississippi.

#86

High School Football Discussion / Re: Was Cherry Creek the most ...

Last post by wosinc - May 26, 2026, 05:10 AM

Yeah that's great and all, but it really comes down to where they finished in the Red Zone Navy Seal top 9 poll. At least from a street cred perspective.That poll is the standard bearer from what I've read.

One of the 75 "just missed"

#87

High School Football Discussion / Re: Was Cherry Creek the most ...

Last post by Cossacks - May 25, 2026, 03:04 PM

Well, they finished at #25 in the No Nonsense poll.

Yeah that's great and all, but it really comes down to where they finished in the Red Zone Navy Seal top 9 poll. At least from a street cred perspective.That poll is the standard bearer from what I've read.

#88

High School Football Discussion / Re: California

Last post by Cossacks - May 25, 2026, 01:54 PM

I don't want none of that bulls smoke.

🤣

#89

High School Football Discussion / Re: California

Last post by AztecPadre - May 25, 2026, 10:18 AM

Well that settles it, @AztecPadre you've been put on notice 🤣

I don't want none of that bulls smoke.

#90

High School Football Discussion / Re: California

Last post by AztecPadre - May 25, 2026, 10:17 AM

Well watch it, then 😺

I suppose I can use hecka instead of hella. lol